In Saturday’s Links of Note roundup, I pulled together some of the posts making rounds regarding the sexual misconduct scandal within DFTBA records. If you aren’t completely up on what’s going on — and I have to admit, I’m not entirely clear on everything happening either — here’s a piece that’ll give the rundown as it started. This is a story that has many layers to it, and I think that Jeanne has done a pretty good job breaking some more of them down in her post (and the subsequent update she’s linked to). Read this, as well as the comments. Her background is within the fandom perspective, which is an arena I know little about.
But what’s stood out to me over the course of this is less the allegations of sexual abuse — which isn’t to say that’s not important because it certainly is — but instead, I’ve found myself fascinated by an organization which is run primarily (entirely?) by men who serve a primarily teen audience and fan base. There is nothing wrong with that, but it leads to a lot of questions about how those who are older than eighteen can or should interact with their underage audiences. This isn’t only about DFTBA; it’s about any situation where adults work with or for or come in contact with teens in some capacity.
I was a teen girl once. I was a teen girl who loved male acoustic singers, and I was lucky enough to be able to go to a lot of concerts growing up. I lived close enough to Chicago to make this a reality, and I’d earned enough trust to go, whether with an adult or by myself/with a group of friends. I never thought a whole lot about the fact that I was under 18 and going and seeing these men who were in their late 20s and 30s performing. Many times because of my working for the high school newspaper, I was able to get in touch with these artists and set up either web-based or in-person interviews.
I never found it weird to talk with them after a show or ask for an autograph or ask a few questions or even approach them for a hug. It never occurred to me that that could be uncomfortable. I was a teen girl and expressing my interest and my passion for music and the art someone else was making.
One night after a show, I’d had such a good time and had a chance to talk with the singer afterwards, mentioning that I was really bummed I couldn’t go to his show the next night since it was a 21 and older only spot. I’d been there with my mom, and rather than invite me to come to the show anyway, he talked with my mom and said if she was willing to come with me, he’d sneak me in to sell merch for the show that night.
But this was after he talked with my mom.
Of course then it didn’t seem like a big deal to me, but in thinking about that moment now, it was exactly the right thing for him to do. Rather than invite me personally or offer to sneak me in, he asked my mom for approval and asked if she would come with me to do so. He didn’t lead me on and he didn’t try to make promises for me. He set up some clear boundaries and expectations immediately in order to protect not just himself but to protect me, as well.
Barry Lyga wrote two really great posts last week talking about being in the sort of position where he’s regularly interacting with teenagers. The first, which you should read here, set off a lot of questions and discussion. Was he being too strict in having a “no hugs” policy? He followed up with a response to the things people asked or said to him — primarily to those who thought his approach was far too rigid and strict — in this post. The golden piece is this quote: “Why do we presume men are guilty? Dunno, but here’s the thing: until it changes, I’m not going to pretend it hasn’t changed. Change comes first —then hugs.”
What Lyga speaks to isn’t the presumption of guilt. He’s not calling men the problem. He’s instead pointing out that we do live in a world where bad things happen and rather than contribute to that, his policy is simply hands off. Does it mean sometimes a teen doesn’t get what he or she wants? Something that could make his or her day or week or year? Certainly.
In his own words: “A part of respect in a relationship between an adult and a minor is acknowledging the power imbalance and setting reasonable boundaries. We can quibble about the nature and tone of those boundaries, but I don’t think we should quibble about their necessity.”
This is where I find myself most fascinated by the DFTBA community and the events going on within it right now. There is a power imbalance. While we’re most familiar with imbalances that put someone in a position to hold their power over the heads of others, what is going on here is a power imbalance that’s never been considered: those who have power don’t see themselves in that way. It’s not that they should feel guilty or bad for what happened. It’s that the possibility of what could happen in such a position wasn’t at the forefront and wasn’t considered.
There was no blanket manner of dealing with issues that could arise because the idea that they could arise wasn’t something that they thought about.
No matter how cool a 15 year old might be, a 22 year old shouldn’t be anything more than a 22 year old adult with that person. Gender does and doesn’t matter here. It matters because there’s certainly additional power imbalances when it’s a sexually-charged relationship, but it doesn’t matter because there is a clear line of legality regardless of the type of relationship being pursued. It can go either or both ways — older men or older women and/or younger boy or younger girl.
What’s interesting in this particular instance is the language used to describe the teenager. She is not a teenager, nor is she a girl. She’s a young woman. There is a power construct in the word choice, whether intentional or not. Regardless of how cool or polished she comes off, she’s still a teenager. When I think about when I was a teenager, I was fueled by my feelings, especially in regards to how I was being talked to and treated by “cool” adults. I loved that respect and attention.
But it didn’t change the fact I was a teenager and not a young woman.
In thinking about relationships between adults and teenagers, I thought rather than try to deconstruct this further, it’d be worthwhile to build a short reading list of books that explore these relationships. In some instances, the imbalance is clear and the lines of right and wrong are crisp. In others, it’s not as clear. Descriptions come from WorldCat, and I’ve elaborated a little bit, too, about why these books are worthwhile reading and discussion fodder, especially in light of what’s happening in the DFTBA community.
Please feel free to offer up other titles that showcase adult-teen relationships and the power (im)balances within them. I’d love to have a nice resource list because I think that this is a topic that doesn’t get talked about much but offers a lot of places for empowering not just teenagers, but adults, as well.
This Gorgeous Game by Donna Freitas
Seventeen-year-old Olivia Peters, who dreams of becoming a writer, is thrilled to be selected to take a college fiction seminar taught by her idol, Father Mark, but when the priest’s enthusiasm for her writing develops into something more, Olivia shifts from wonder to confusion to despair.
In Freitas’s novel, Olivia wants the approval of her idol so bad, she’ll go to the ends of the Earth to earn it. The problem is that Father Mark takes complete advantage of her desires and manipulates Olivia in the worst possible ways. Olivia is and is not entirely on to what’s going on. She believes that in order to achieve, she has to listen and follow with the instructions she’s given, even if it feels weird or creepy or wrong. What complicates the matter further is how well respected Father Mark is not just in the community, but in Olivia’s family in particular.
The Lucy Variations by Sara Zarr
Sixteen-year-old San Franciscan Lucy Beck-Moreau once had a promising future as a concert pianist. Her chance at a career has passed, and she decides to help her ten-year-old piano prodigy brother, Gus, map out his own future, even as she explores why she enjoyed piano in the first place.
Zarr’s novel doesn’t seem like it would have this element to it, but it does. Lucy’s become a little bit smitten with one of her teachers, and there is a clear exploration of what the lines of appropriate and inappropriate are as it comes to their relationship. What I think is most noteworthy here is how much Lucy seeks that approval and admiration from an older male. He’s cool and she loves the attention he can give her. That desire in her is, at times, hard to separate from the fact she’s 16.
Love and Other Perishable Items by Laura Buzo
A fifteen-year-old Australian girl gets her first job and first crush on her unattainable university-aged co-worker, as both search for meaning in their lives.
What Buzo’s novel does is offer us the perspective of both the boy and the girl. We have a fifteen year old girl who is enamored by her coworker, who is in his early 20s and who enjoys hanging out and talking with her. But he understands clearly where the lines are in their relationship. He isn’t interested in her beyond talking and being friendly. He won’t pursue a deeper relationship with her and he certainly isn’t interested in leading her on nor holding his power over her head. He thinks she’s cool and she’s very smart, but he’s well attune to their age difference.
Pointe by Brandy Colbert (available April 10)
Four years after Theo’s best friend, Donovan, disappeared at age thirteen, he is found and brought home and Theo puts her health at risk as she decides whether to tell the truth about the abductor, knowing her revelation could end her life-long dream of becoming a professional ballet dancer.
I’ll have a lengthy, spoiler-laden review of Colbert’s novel next week, but it’s a title that fits within this list and does so in a bit of a different way. While we see the emotional tolls that happen in Freitas’s and Zarr’s novels, what happens in Colbert’s novel is not only emotional, it’s physical too. It takes Theo the entire novel to understand what happened to her and what ripple effects it had not only on her own well-being, but on the well-being of her best friend.
Though not for teen readers, Alissa Nutting’s Tampa is another novel worth reading that delves into wildly inappropriate adult-teen relationships. I mention this title in conjunction with the YA ones because I think it gets at an aspect that I haven’t talked too much about, which is gender. While the other novels have an older male at the forefront, Nutting’s flips the script and has an older woman pursuing completely inappropriate relationships with teen boys. This is a challenging and squick-inducing read.
What other titles would you add to the list? While I think there’s a lot worth exploring on the sexual abuse end (Pointe and Tampa fit there), I’d be particularly interested in titles where the power dynamic is on burgeoning non-sexual relationships.
admin says
Two adult recs suggested to me this morning: Siskiad by Brian Hall and Joy School by Elizabeth Berg.
rachel says
For fantasy lovers: Fire and Hemlock, by Diana Wynne Jones. It's a retelling of Tam Lin, the male love interest doesn't age (or seems to age in reverse, it's ambiguous), but he starts out seeming to be in his 30s while the heroine is a little child. It's been a while since I read it, but I recall that it was careful about the legal lines. Still, it's really uncomfortable and treads the line extremely closely.
admin says
I think our discomfort is that skirting close to the line, so this sounds perfect.
Lisa Jenn says
Two lesbian YA titles — Between You & Me, by Marisa Calin, and Love & Lies, by Ellen Wittlinger. Both are student/teacher relationships, and both end up being cautionary in the end. Lola and the Boy Next Door, by Stephanie Perkins, also comes to mind.
admin says
I want to read both of those now because they sound great.
Lola is another good one.
Liz B says
Oh, I forgot LOLA. It's interesting because he is older, and her parents are concerned so trying to be involved, but not to push her away by hating on the older boyfriend.
danielledreger says
This is so timely. I just finished TAMPA. Holy sociopath. It was extremely well done. I liked it more than THE KINGDOM of CHILDHOOD that came out in 2012 (Also adult female, teen male).
admin says
Thanks for the rec.
Tampa was REALLY well done but so, so uncomfortable.
ringothecat says
Boy Toy by Barry Lyga (teacher-student). I thougt this was a very powerful read.
admin says
Yes! Thank you!
Jody Casella says
Thanks for this post. I read Lucy Variations and loved it for a variety of reasons, but the relationship between Lucy and her teacher made me feel uncomfortable and I think it may be because it was treated in a complex way with no easy answers. I read reviews of that book where the relationship was attacked–"it was disgusting" etc, But what I found so disturbing was how many reviewers (women) came down on Lucy as the instigator and manipulator in the equation. I really like your posts on how women are depicted in YA literature and I've been thinking more and more about what this says about women reviewers–how we view ourselves. On another note: it's not YA, but Running with Scissors has a lopsided "relationship" between a teen boy and an older man. I use the term relationship loosely because it's actually a rape scene.
admin says
The idea of women reviewers and how we view ourselves is a really interesting line, especially in context of the Lucy reviews. I noticed the same thing, where Lucy was called out as the one doing "bad" here….but any relationship like this is a two-way street and we're obviously biased because we only see Lucy's perspective. It's skewed, too, but I wouldn't say in a way that forgives the adult here. If anything, it's her own POV that seems like it makes clear there needs to be an adult being a better adult.
Lisa Jenn says
This is a real throwback, but this morning I thought of the Alanna books, by Tamora Pierce. Alanna's relationship with George starts platonically when she is a girl and he is a young man but eventually becomes romantic.
admin says
I haven't read it, but I have read some reviews/thoughts on it and it sounds like it would fit.
Laura Ashlee (Owl Tell You About It) says
Thanks so much for this post. This isn't something I've thought about explicitly. It's definitely something to keep in mind for me, since I plan to work with teens in the future. As always, thank you for the book suggestions. I think this post will highlight the adult-teen relationships in those books, when I read them.
Kurt Hartwig says
Daddy-Long-Legs was the first title that came to mind. It's been maybe 30 years since I've read it, but money, age, power, and knowledge are all relevant factors between the love interests.
Little Willow says
This Gorgeous Game by Donna Freitas is a wonderful book. So glad that you included it! And Zarr's is on my to-read list – I read everything she writes.
Some others:
Bad Apple by Laura Ruby
Teach Me by R.A. Nelson
Friction by E.R. Frank
Everything Beautiful in the World by Lisa Levchuk
How It's Done by Christine Kole Maclean
What Mr. Mattero Did by Priscilla Cummings
– and here are some with POSITIVE, non-romantic relationships:
Evolution, Me & Other Freaks of Nature by Robin Brande
Looks by Madeleine George
Peace is a Four-Letter Word by Janet Nichols Lynch
The Summer of May by Cecilia Galante
– plus one based on real people, Miss Spitfire: Reaching Helen Keller by Sarah Miller, with Annie Sullivan as the protagonist
penmore says
A Girl Named Digit by Monaghan, Annabel
"After identifying a terrorist plot, a brilliant seventeen-year-old girl from Santa Monica, California, gets involved with the young FBI agent who is trying to ensure her safety."
The FBI agent is 21, so they are close enough in age to be attracted to each other and have much in common – but it's not legal. I appreciated the way the situation was handled.
Catherine Linka says
Very smart post. Thanks for tackling this subject.
mclicious.org says
Very good post. Two novels for adults (that are eerily similar) that you could say are adult-for-YA or Alex-style and deal with this are The Adults and Anthropology of an American Girl.
mclicious.org says
Very good post. Two novels for adults (that are eerily similar) that you could say are adult-for-YA or Alex-style and deal with this are The Adults and Anthropology of an American Girl.
Long Distance Caller says
Also for adults: The Reader, by Bernhard Schlink.
Elana K Arnold says
Have you read TELL THE WOLVES I'M HOME? The protagonist (14) has a non-sexual relationship with her uncle's lover, an adult man. It's really, really wonderful.
Ariel Araiza says
Taming the beast by Emily Maguire a little disturbing but very interesting.